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GTV 70-2m Yagi with bent Driven Element
EME + SSB band, usable up to 440 MHz, relatively clean rear pattern version
This little Yagi has a high F/B for a 2 ele., which makes it quite useful for lower noise
or weaker signal operations. The bent DE (K6STI style) transforms from approx. 40 ohms to
50 ohms at feed point.
We frequently find unqualified commnets like on 'Reddit' disbelieving the tiny 2 element Yagi did a moon bounce contact.
Which in way is understandable. With the link budget in path loss in dB given it took a miracle, a super big gun and several
months of testing to complete the EME QSO. The miracle was the Nov. 2016 Super Moon, which was closest to earth moon since 1948.
Of coarse everyone is free to question statements and superlatives in todays world. Especially if read on the internet.
Which actually attests a healthy attitude of thinking.
But please be serious in your arguments. Do not disqualify yourself by suggesting that QSO was a terrestrial contact without
the most qualified radio operators noticing this. Be assured that EME operators in cose distance have what you suggest as possible
terrestrial contact as ever day challenge with really near by other big stations. With that the traces in the waterfall diagram
of the WSJT software look completly different and also the travelling time to and back from the moon is missing the 2 second delay.
This check is routine for any only half experiences EME operator any easy and plain to spot.
Suggesting the chances for a terrestrial contact with JO01JM to JO62JR = 929 k (DL7APV) or to JN47CG = 714 k (HB9Q) is a vague theory.
Do you have an idea how much down in dB the spill over of such a dish pointed skywards is? Or what remarkable super tropo conditions would
have had to be to allow a terrestrial contact at all? Even with antennas facing each other over such a distance?
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The GTV 70-2m is the worlds tiniest Yagi that did EME QSOs
'Operation Odyssey' accomplished
NEW WORLD RECORD: 2 ele. GTV and less 260 W EIRP -
2016-11-11: 18-10 UTC - HB9Q and MX0CNS complete a QSOafter 7 months of testing, with B-19 dB at MX0CNS, see WSJT screenshot at MX0CNS
Both antennas just after the QSO was done ...
GTV70-2m at MX0CNS a short time after the QSO was completed
HB9Q's dish same time, photo on courtesy of Dan, HB9Q
xpol LFA dish feed, photo on courtesy of Justin, G0KSC
HB9Q's equipment: Dish Ø15.3 m, xpol LFA feed, LNA 0.42 dB, 1 kW SSPA, TR432H transverter, Zeus SDR, IQ+u rev. B (HB9DRI),
and SM5BSZ's Linrad. The decodes on the HB9Q side were as follows, (tnx Dan!):
MAP65: 91 -270 105 180300 2.1 -28 HB9Q MX0CNS JO01 0 17 110 V WSJT 10, 90°: 180300 3 -26 2.8 728 3 * HB9Q MX0CNS JO01 0 10 180700 5 -28 715 4 RO 180900 4 -29 710 3 73 WSJT X, -135°: 180300 0 -27 2.9 728 3 * HB9Q MX0CNS JO01 0 6 180500 0 -33 1.9 747 15 180700 4 -29 715 2 RO 180900 0 -33 1.9 731 50
2016-11-13: 18-48 UTC - DL7APV and MX0CNS complete a QSOwith B-28 dB at DL7APV and see screenshot from MX0CNS / M0ABA below
And at DL7APV's screen
DL7APV's equipment: 16 x 13 wl DJ9BV Yagis h-pol, 29,7 dBD, 750 W at feed, DB6NT Transverter, Drake TR7
A video of the MX0CNS - DL7APV QSO with this tiny Yagi
by Thomas, M0ABA at MX0CNS. External link to Youtube here
A video of HB9Q received up to -22 dB during the 2016 ARRL EME Contest on this tiny Yagi
by Thomas, M0ABA at MX0CNS. External link to Youtube here
A GTV 70-2m built and measured by Kazuo, 7L1TIG. Link to his website in Japanese here
A special call for operations and support:
After success with the GTV70-4m and -3w, the 'Operation Wavelet' Thomas, M0ABA @ MX0CNS goes for one more:
M0ABA @ MX0CNS runs 'Operation Odyssey' to find the real bottom lineCan a 70 cm EME QSO be done with this handful of aluminium and 60 W at feedpoint = 260 W EIRP only?
Please help us to make this real, MX0CNS is open for skeds, also with the larger 7 and 4 ele. Yagis
M0ABA can be contacted for skeds via Essex Dx Group - Facebook or email:
Nasa's Apollo 13's Command Module (CMS-109) was named 'Odyssey'. It was launched Apr. 11th, 1970.
The 13ths mission of the Apollo Program did not make it to a landing on the moon due to a serious failure in an oxygen tank
switching valve. Which let that service module based tank explode. Just when entering the moons orbit in a distance of more
than 300,000 k from mother earth. “Houston, we’ve had a problem here” - listen to the full radio communication audio .
But the way the astronauts of this mission handled the life threatening situation and made it home safely against many odds is
maybe more impressive than actual lunar landing missions. So we decided to tribute this operation to the crew of Apollo 13
and name it 'Operation Odyssey'.
2016-11-11: 20-00 UTC - HB9Q receives MX0CNS with 60 W at feed:and sends 'OOO' ... just the final '73' did not get thru. DL7APV and UA3PTW also received the tiny signal!
More decodes with real sleeve quarterwave stub
The used before thin coax 3 x 174 λ symmetrising coax was measured as too
long by DG7YBN. Thus Thomas, M0ABA designed and build this sleeve tube using AppCAD by Agilent.
2016-07-01: 07-50 UTC - This is HB9Q received at MX0CNS:
... peaking -24 dB which is the more astonishing as this test took place on a rainy day, see the wet antenna above
On time for the 46th anniversary of the safe return of the men of Apollo 13 ...
Operation Odyssey manages first decodes despite the moon being in its apogee ..
2016-04-16: 22-50 UTC - This is DL7APV received at MX0CNS:DL7APV received MX0CNS as well. With up to -25 dB but no decodes on that.
3D Radation Pattern ... and GTV 70-2m built by Thomas, M0ABA: see how TINY it is ...
This website has been viewed by how many 70 cm enthusiasts since Apr. 2016?
Elem. 4 mm Gain vs. isotr. Rad. 6.3 dBi Gain vs. Dipole 4.2 dBD -3 dB E-plane 58.4 deg. -3 dB H-plane 136 deg. F/B -10.6 dB F/R -6.1 dB Impedance 50 ohms Mechan. Length 134 mm Electr. Length 0.19 λ
An EME Record Replica ...
The 4 mm elements are ment for an 'elements through boom' built.
Segmentation BC and Base BC (see BC page) must be added.
A simple symmetrising member may be made from a 3 x 1/4 Lambda line grounded at the far side with
N-flange-bushing and an aluminium plate and ferrite added as close as possible to the DE, see below.
Pos. Full Length 1/2 Length in NEC Refl. 0.0 336.0 168.0 DE(b) 115.0 293.0 33.5-146.5 DE(a) 134.0 67.0 0-33.5 ele. 4 mm ele. 4 mmThe Drivers diameter is 10 mm for all examples. Use EZNEC's Auto-Segmentation at 1050 MHz.
For the SBC the frequency impact is 433.4 MHz - 432.2 MHz = 1.1 MHz
Multiplication with the 70 cm correction factor of 0.92 mm/MHz results in 1.1 mm to add to the common BC.
Using the proposed through boom insulators add a fixed offset on to BC of 0.7 mm so that total SBC = 1.8 mm
• "Ready to saw and drill" data for mounting 4.0 mm elements insulated through boom with SM5BSZ's BC.exe applied
Note that with an elements insulated through boom built for best results boomlength and positions to first /last element must be kept as given.
Because the position of an element relative to its nearer boom end is a serious parameter in the BC.exe.
This table is only valid for:
Boom shape: square
Boom dim: 5/8 in x 5/8 in (15.9 mm)
Wall thickn.: 1.6 mm
Holes in boom: 6.0 mm
Offset rear: 300 mm
Offset front: 40 mm
• Data set for 4 mm elements with rear boom end offset = 300 mm for formast mounting
Sketch of Bent Dipole
Pattern and VSWR Plots
Elevation and Azimuth plot at 432.1 MHz
Simulated RL and SWR plot 430 ... 440 MHz
VNA measured RL and SWR plot 420 ... 440 MHz
EZNEC file of this Yagi with Ø 4 mm elements
Symmetrising 50 to 50 ohms Feedline to 432 MHz Bent DE
The principle is similar to the 1/4 Lambda coax. Adding 2 x 1/4 Lambda or a half wave line does not change anything but allows
to form a gentle bow below the boom or until behind the Reflector. Follow practical construction hints on "Building a Yagi" page.
Attenzione! Take care when lengthening the coax, measure the right length instead of refering to given v-factors only.
A good choice may be the diam. 5 mm PTFE coax RG-142 B/U: real resonate length (432.2 Mhz as 3/4 Lambda) shield-shield is around 348 mm
Find more information on Phasing & Matching Lines page
73, Hartmut, DG7YBN